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Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.45

think w e are in a different point of view. Everyday languange, a narrow concept of language in everyday atmosphere, is only a part of language itself, philosophically. Yes, you are right, you can define the (everyday) language refers to the definition in linguistics. I agree with that.

Every discipline has its own definition. Engineering definition of a word may be different in medical or social science definition.

However, when it comes into broader disciplines, academics refer to the philosophy behind it.

So, this is only misunderstanding

Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.45

think w e are in a different point of view. Everyday languange, a narrow concept of language in everyday atmosphere, is only a part of language itself, philosophically. Yes, you are right, you can define the (everyday) language refers to the definition in linguistics. I agree with that.

Every discipline has its own definition. Engineering definition of a word may be different in medical or social science definition.

However, when it comes into broader disciplines, academics refer to the philosophy behind it.

So, this is only misunderstanding

Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.44

I think w e are in a different point of view. Everyday languange, a narrow concept of language in everyday atmosphere, is only a part of language itself, philosophically. Yes, you are right, you can define the (everyday) language refers to the definition in lingusitics. I agree with that. Every discipline has its own definition. Engineering definition of a word may be different in medica or social sciencel definition.

However, when it comes into broader disciplines, academics refer to the philosophy behind it.

So, this is only misunderstanding

Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.33

Philosophy is the root of science, isn't it? Begun with the question: What?Why and so on
And from the philosophical point of view, math is language

Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.31

Before we are going everywhere, what you define a language?
Simple everyday practical definition will help

Wonggantenk 17 Mar 10, 12.30

There are some other references belongs to the mathematicians and the philosophers. Please read

Wonggantenk 16 Mar 10, 23.38

typo: Logan menyimpulkan bahwa pikiran (mind) = otak (brain) + bahasa (language)

Wonggantenk 16 Mar 10, 23.34

Logan mendefinisikan bahasa = komunikasi + informasi, jadi secara definisi kontemporer versi Logan pun, matematika = bahasa, bukan hanya secara bahasan filsafat klasik yang kita terima di kampus kampus. Selain itu, secara cerdas Logan menyimpulkan, mind (akal/pemikiran) = otak (mind) + bahasa.

Logan juga banyak menulis buku tentang bahasa. Mungkin bisa ditelusuri pdf-nya

Wonggantenk 16 Mar 10, 23.34

Kalau tulisan saya di atas, itu hanya berdasarkan pemahaman filsafat ilmu klasik yang mungkin sudah umum diketahui banyak mahasiswa, jadi tidak ada yang istimewa. Sebagai pembanding ada link sbb:

http://descmath.c…anguage.html
http://www.cut-th…nguage.shtml
http://www.cut-th…/index.shtml

Wah, ternyata ada tulisan pakar Robert K. Logan, worth reading. Bahkan, doski mendefinisikan bahasa ada 6, bukan hanya matematika dan bahasa sehari hari seperti yang selama ini saya pahami.

http://www.utoronto.ca/mcluhan/Extend edMindModelOriginLangCult.pdf

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Wonggantenk 16 Mar 10, 23.33

Utk buku berbahasa Indonesia,kalau gak salah (udah lama banget gak baca ini) ada buku "Filsafat Ilmu Sebuah Pengantar Populer"karya Jujun Suriamiharja dari IPB. Bisa juga baca buku2 Filsafat ilmu lainnya.Utk referensi internet mgkn akan saya carikan,Insya Allah sebentar lagi,saya google dulu yah.
Btw,anda akan menemukan banyak 'kejanggalan" yg sebenarnya tdk janggal kalau anda lebih lanjut menelaah filsafat ilmu,seperti mengapa Teknik Lingkungan mayoritas digolongkan sebagai bagian Teknik Sipil di sebagian besar kampus2 dunia (populer dgn Civil&Environmental Engineering), padahal dari kontennya lebih mirip Teknik Kimia/Ilmu Kesehatan.Hal ini karena penggolongan akademik masih mengacu ke filsafat dasar ilmu itu sendiri (termasuk pecahannya).Secara filsafat ilmu, teknik sipil, teknik lingkungan, teknik pengairan, bahkan rekayasa ekologi semuanya berfilsafat sama, yaitu bagaimana membangun lingkungan binaan yang aman dan nyaman bagi manusia,berbeda jauh dengan filsafat teknik kimia cthnya

ancah 12 Mar 10, 8.51

salam kenal. izin follow juga ya

NIN 3 Mar 10, 16.27

salam kenal , ijin follow yah

bona 2 Mar 10, 21.24

have a nice day too, mister

Indra F. Soaleh 28 Feb 10, 12.21

great ...

kinanthi 24 Feb 10, 9.31

begitulah

kinanthi 23 Feb 10, 16.01

Jangan kaget, kalau artikel 'stupid crowd' besok2 ilang, bos.

Andy Syoekry Amal 23 Feb 10, 10.03

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Icarus 12 Feb 10, 10.02

Thanks, but no, thanks! Dikau terlalu memuji...

boiga 12 Feb 10, 1.14

hehe.. nggak kok, gak mikirin century lagi, udah kebanyakan yg mikirin itu mah..
sedang ada masalah pribadi nih, jadi gak sempet2 masuk sini..

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